Is a surveillance state traitor still a traitor? (And why he needs a second passport)

Written by Andrew Henderson
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Edward Snowden is now on the run. He had been planning his escape for some time, and after exposing the massive extent of the US surveillance state, he has now disappeared. It was suggested that he may be using another passport, but I couldn’t find any evidence he has a second passport.

His initial escape to Hong Kong was probably ill-advised. No matter how much I love Hong Kong, and how much I think the Chinese government wants to stick it to Uncle Sam, I don’t think this will be their moment to stand up. Perhaps Snowden should have read my article on the best non-extradition countries to escape to. Despite running a crazy regime, places like Venezuela rarely extradite Americans. It only goes to show that for all the “freedoms” you think you have in the western world, it ultimately comes down to how much freedom the government you’re under is willing to give you.

Ultimately, when guys like Edward Snowden “go rogue”, the government reacts swiftly. To them, it’s about punishing anyone who doesn’t goose step right along with them. In this case, it’s highly likely Snowden’s passport will be cancelled by the State Department, leaving him with far fewer options. That’s why having a second passport is so important.

What is a traitor? What are borders?

You may not be planning to leak top-secret documents, but who knows what they’ll criminalize next? Did you think – even a few years ago – that the government would be spying on you?

Governments operate with a faux sense of authority over whistleblowers (and everybody else). They say those like Edward Snowden “violated their contracts” or broke the law. But if it was up to the government, we might still have any number of formerly “normal” atrocities. It took people breaking the law to stand up for what was right.

I seem to recall some historical figures who used phrases like “only following orders” to pretend they were on the right side of moral law. You might know them as the guys responsible for one of the greatest acts of democide in history.

Indeed, during the Nuremberg Trials, the US government rushed to enact Nuremberg Principle IV, which tossed out “following orders” as a defense. Once the shoe is on the other foot, however, they take a different tone. In the mind of the government, it is perfectly within its rights to spy on its citizens and use drones to kill people they don’t even know, and it’s not fascism or terrorism. It’s their birthright. Because if there’s one thing the US government knows how to do well, it’s pretend they’re a shining example of perfect morals 100% of the time.

Never mind that anyone who claimed the government spies on its citizens or had a murderous drone program was a conspiracy theorist.

While many people – including most of my readers – believe Edward Snowden’s fight against the growing surveillance state to be noble, the government still has plenty of sheep doing its bidding. The idea that we’ll trade freedom for security is a dangerous proposition but one many “patriots” are all too willing to do in the name of maintaining “American exceptionalism“.

Then again, George W. Bush won re-election promising he’d keep you safe. All you had to do was take off your clothes for some guy who a year ago was getting your burger order wrong.

Here’s a sampling of the comments I found from Joe Citizen while researching this story:

He is a traitor and should be shot, or put in prison for the rest of his life, and they should put Jane Fonda in with him.

He is no longer a citizen of MY country. He is a Traitor to my country and a traitor to his family. How are we supposed to defend ourselves against terrorists when our own citizens reveal top secret information to the world? Extradite him, give him a military trial and hang him. We do not live in a friendly world. Wake Up America. There are people out there who would rather kill every last one of us than live a peaceful life. We don’t need some 29 yr old idealist destroying our ability to defend ourselves in the name of privacy. Defense of this traitor is in itself treason.

I cannot believe the amount of comments that actually support a traitor to our country. If you people don’t like the safety and security we enjoy in America, why don’t you go to some other country like the TRAITOR did and see how you like it there?

I for one have packed my bags. I get far more pleasure spending time outside of the USSA than I do spending time in it. And for whatever reason you’re here, either you do, too, or you’re considering doing so in the future.

It’s nice to see those with the emotional skills of five-year olds are still capable of giving knee-jerk reactions in favor of a Government with No Clothes. The whiny reactions of those telling us “if you don’t like it, move to Somalia!” will continue until the empire collapses under its own weight.

After all, these are the same people who sneer at Snowden’s escape to “China” because China doesn’t have any freedoms. Have any of them been to China, as I have many times? Of course not. You could cut the irony with a knife.

But hey, maybe they’re the people who have “have nothing to hide”.

To those who suggest we all ought to “stay and fight“, this is your moment. Fighting involves consequences. It involves breaking the law. It involves conviction. Edward Snowden has done all of those things and has stood up to a tyrannical government to draw a line in the sand.

It’s too bad the self-styled “patriots” who claim they’ll fight to the death for the no-longer-free Land of the Free want to try him for treason. If you’re banking on a revolution to save your freedoms, I can enjoy the decline, because if this doesn’t wipe the remaining veneer of the United States’ silly claims of freedom, I don’t know what does.

I’ll be in Hong Kong away from a government that follows those who challenge it to the ends of the earth, glass of Jameson’s in hand, praying for Edward Snowden.

Andrew Henderson
Last updated: Dec 30, 2019 at 2:43PM

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13 Comments

  1. AlienIlluminati

    Andrew Henderson, there’s one major problem with your “It took people breaking the law in order to stand up for what’s right” statement. If your going to stand up for that’s right in THIS particular case, you don’t flee to our technological enemy & holder of our loan! The place that was just caught in a “technological spying” scandal just a couple months ago! If he was playing hero, go somewhere that can’t use our information! NOT CHINA OR RUSSIA!

    • theotherRJH

      The alternative is the US kills him? Where’s the logic in that? If they get their hands on Snowden, there will not be any trial. They’ll just kill the man. As for running to an enemy state, where else was it supposed to go? I cannot follow anything you’re saying quite honestly.

      • AlienIlluminati

        If you can’t follow the logic of YOU DON’T RUN TO THE TECHNOLOGICAL ENEMY IF YOU’RE INNOCENT AND DON’T PLAN ON SELLING THEM INFORMATION, then I can’t help you. There are dozens of other countries that he could have gone to that pose no threat to the US. The US killing him if they find him, is a matter of opinion, and frankly, I wouldn’t care if they did. That’s the chance he took. He wanted to be a hero, he can be a martyr too. As many people die that are actually innocent of any wrong doing in the US, due to law enforcement misuse of power, do you think I give a rats ass, or the government should give a rats ass about someone that’s an obvious traitor? I quote Drago. “If he dies, he dies”. If you can’t follow that, then maybe you shouldn’t be on here commenting, because even the people that disagree with me, FOLLOW what I’m saying. You’re the absolute first that doesn’t follow the logic. I follow the logic of the other side of the debate, but I merely disagree…STRONGLY. He is a traitor, not a hero. Plain and simple. He told the public ABSOLUTELY NOTHING we didnt already know. People are just sheep. They (not me) feel the need to react because it made the news. Nothing is real to sheeple unless it makes the news. You’re obviously one of them. This same debate popped up when GEORGE BUSH JR introduced the Patriot Act. Nothing new. Nothing to see here, keep it moving.

        • theotherRJH

          Well first of all, if Snowden didn’t give them the info, he wouldn’t have gotten in. I serious doubt he “sold for money” the Russians anything…now for access yeah. Second, your argument on how he’s a traitor is pretty weak. If you feel that way, then that is your business but don’t tell me what my opinion is and if I should be commenting or not. As for your logic…unfortunately its fucked. How can Snowden not go anywhere, not get afforded some protection, and not “sell” (or give) what he has? Does your argument hold water if he went to Angola or maybe Honduras? Neither country can control it’s own borders let alone protect anyone. Comrade Soetoro isn’t sending some “seal team whatever/able danger jokers” into Russia to get Snowden. I think you have seriously missed the reason why Snowden went there in the first place. On a side note, I think Snowden is a whistleblower and hero. I comment on whatever I feel like.

          Just do me a favor and please DON’T respond with some Planet X/Niburu/Reptoid nonsense. We’re adults trying to solve these real problems where and there are no aliens trying to wreck the Earth.

          • AlienIlluminati

            I named quite a few countries at least 3, that can control their borders, and I can name at least 100 more that he could have gone to. Stop trying to redirect attention by bringing up som eNibiru/planet x crap. That’s you, not me. A hero, lol. A whistleblower, what a joke. I was once a whistleblower. Actually a couple of times. I did it to Trader Joes where I organized a class action lawsuit, and I did it to New United Motor Manufacturing Inc, where I reported them to Cal Osha. This dude is no whistleblower or hero. Heros don’t run for their life. Whistlblowers use the system afforded them in a legal way. A family member of a close friend was killed, lying on his stomach while handcuffed by a police officer. He did absolutely nothing wrong, and that officer did less than a year behind bars. You think I give a damn about a traitor? You want to be a hero? Don’t run. You want to “expose” a wrong? You go to Fox news or CNN and they have avenues where you can be protected for your info. truth is, he’s a dead man walking anyway. Good luck to you in life. It is you that need it with you logic, or lack thereof.

            • theotherRJH

              Like I said before…good luck to you.

        • Andrew Henderson

          Yes, many of us decried the Patriot Act. Many of the people now crying, however, were happy when “their guy” did it. I’m not sure how someone can be a traitor if they revealed information “we already knew”.

      • AlienIlluminati

        As far as your question “Where else was he supposed to go to”, that’s easy, and honestly, I don’t even know why I’m responding to you, but I will just this once. Are you like in the 5th grade or something, to not know this? Here’s just a few out of the many dozen. France, Switzerland, India, Andorra, Argentina, Madagascar…I can go on and on. those countries pose absolutely no threat to the US, and they have NO extradition treaty with us. But, he chose to go to a country that just months ago, was CAUGHT spying on us, then went to a country that sells weapons and information to everyone else in the world, EVEN/ESPECIALLY our enemies that attacked us on 9/11/01? and he’s a hero to you? Really? Not only that, but China and Russia BOTH have far fewer freedoms, tighter restrictions on its citizens, almost NO due process, and much mor severe punishments. This makes Snowden a hypocrite. This proves that he is in it for the money, not because he wanted to do what’s right. the other countries I named, could do absolutely nothing with the info he provided. Not only that, but he has seemingly started another cold war. So now many many other people are going to die (behind the scenes) because of him, and he may have started an actual war that may not truncate until like 2017, maybe. I really don’t think you’ll be able to follow any of that either, but oh well. Not my job to make you understand.

        • theotherRJH

          I guess we are not agreeing on this. Good luck to you, mate.

  2. anarchobuddy

    Perhaps as disgusting as what the federal government does to whisteblowers is the fact that Americans could leave comments like those you’ve listed above. It is absolutely astounding to me that any American feels so compelled to come to this extreme defense of the US nation-state.

    As you say, the irony is quite palpable, especially in the second comment. The commentator laments the idea that “there are people out there would rather kill every last one of us than live a peaceful life” while at the same time calling for the murder of Edward Snowden. He or she obviously fears some type of religious extremism, and yet holds the US government as so sacred a deity that anyone who challenges it should be put to death for such sacrilege as whisteblowing.

    • Andrew Henderson

      Easier to “shoot the messenger”.

  3. AlienIlluminati

    Yes, it’s still considered a traitor, being that every country that has the capability of defending their own borders, is a police/surveillance state, whether they admit it or not. You want to not be a traitor? Have the guts to fight the government the same way everyone else in America does. Stand here and fight. To be honest, he’s quite cowardice, actually. How does a hero run somewhere and ask for protection? Since when did the definition of a traitor change to allow for you to go against your own countries laws and run and offer information to the technological enemy? This sounds like Obama refusing to call what’s going on in Egypt a Coup. Regardless if he’s inherently right or wrong for doing so, it’s still a coup. Your reasoning doesn’t change the facts.

    • Andrew Henderson

      His motives are his motives. The point that we discuss here is that fighting and dying for a set of borders you didn’t choose to be part of isn’t our choice. Some will call it cowardly; it call it self-interest. It’s not his job to die so people can get information on their tyrannical government.